The relationship between Bethesda Game Studios and Obsidian Entertainment remains one of the most dissected dynamics in modern video game history. For over a decade, fans of the western role-playing game (RPG) genre have debated the merits of Fallout 3 versus Fallout: New Vegas, often turning a collaborative publishing arrangement into an ideological war over how open-world RPGs should be designed.

Recently, new light was shed on how this persistent fan comparison influenced Bethesda’s executive strategy. Speaking on the FRVR Podcast, Kurt Kuhlmann, a former designer at Bethesda Game Studios, revealed that the internal and external fallout from Fallout: New Vegas directly influenced how Bethesda managed its other crown jewel: The Elder Scrolls. According to Kuhlmann, Bethesda’s game director and executive producer, Todd Howard, became highly protective of the fantasy franchise, deliberately avoiding any external, single-player spin-offs to prevent a repeating of the comparison cycle that defined the Fallout franchise.


Main Facts: The "New Vegas" Precedent and the Protection of Tamriel

At the core of Kuhlmann’s revelation is the concept of creative custody. When Bethesda outsourced the development of Fallout: New Vegas to Obsidian Entertainment in the late 2000s, the goal was to keep the Fallout brand active while Bethesda focused its internal resources on developing The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. While the move was a commercial and critical success, it birthed a persistent, often tribalistic division within the gaming community.

"The whole New Vegas thing did create at least the perception of this, ‘Who makes a better Fallout game? Oh, they should just give it to Obsidian,’" Kuhlmann explained during his podcast appearance. "There are the Obsidian, New Vegas people that think, ‘Obviously New Vegas is way better, Obsidian is way better at making those games, and why don’t they just get Fallout altogether.’"

According to Kuhlmann, Todd Howard was acutely aware of this narrative and sought to protect The Elder Scrolls from a similar fate. To avoid creating a situation where fans could play two contemporary, competing visions of Tamriel, Bethesda resisted outsourcing a single-player Elder Scrolls spin-off.

Instead, the studio found a different vehicle to satisfy the demand for more content without compromising the core single-player identity of the mainline games: The Elder Scrolls Online (ESO). Developed by sister studio ZeniMax Online Studios, ESO transitioned the franchise into the MMORPG space. Kuhlmann noted that ESO effectively "took the heat off" the studio, satisfying corporate desires for ongoing monetization and giving fans a continuous gateway into Tamriel, all while keeping the mainline single-player space exclusively under Bethesda Game Studios’ direct control.


Chronology: The Intersecting Paths of Bethesda, Obsidian, and Tamriel

To understand the weight of Kuhlmann’s insights, one must look at the timeline of events that shaped the modern western RPG landscape over the past two decades.

Former Elder Scrolls designer Kurt Kuhlmann on Fallout: New Vegas diehards: 'I don't know that Todd wanted to…
[2004] Bethesda acquires the Fallout IP
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[2008] Fallout 3 launches to critical acclaim, modernizing the series in 3D
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[2010] Fallout: New Vegas (developed by Obsidian) launches
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[2011] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim launches, achieving historic commercial success
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[2014] The Elder Scrolls Online launches, establishing an ongoing MMO platform
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[2015] Fallout 4 launches; fan debates between Bethesda and Obsidian design philosophies intensify
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[2018] Microsoft acquires Obsidian Entertainment
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[2021] Microsoft completes acquisition of ZeniMax Media (Bethesda's parent company)

The Origins of the Divide (2004–2010)

In 2004, Bethesda Softworks acquired the rights to the Fallout franchise from Interplay Entertainment. In 2008, Bethesda released Fallout 3, successfully transitioning the isometric, turn-based RPG series into a first-person, real-time action RPG.

Seeking to capitalize on the engine and assets built for Fallout 3 while the internal team pivoted to Skyrim, Bethesda contracted Obsidian Entertainment—a studio founded by former Black Isle Studios developers who had worked on the original Fallout games—to create a spin-off. The result was 2010’s Fallout: New Vegas.

The Rise of the Comparison Culture (2011–2015)

While New Vegas suffered from severe technical bugs at launch, its deep role-playing mechanics, branching narrative paths, complex faction reputation systems, and morally grey writing quickly earned it legendary status among RPG enthusiasts.

When Skyrim launched in 2011 to monumental commercial success, and Fallout 4 followed in 2015, a distinct divide emerged in online communities. Bethesda was increasingly characterized as a studio focused on broad-market appeal, sandbox physics, and environmental storytelling, while Obsidian was championed as the standard-bearer for traditional, narrative-heavy, choice-and-consequence role-playing.

The Release Valve: The Elder Scrolls Online (2014–Present)

During this period of intense community debate, Bethesda chose a different path for its fantasy IP. Instead of commissioning a single-player spin-off of The Elder Scrolls to bridge the massive gap between Skyrim and its eventual successor, ZeniMax Media launched The Elder Scrolls Online in 2014. Under the stewardship of ZeniMax Online Studios, ESO evolved into a highly successful, lore-rich MMORPG that provided players with a continuous, evolving experience of Tamriel, successfully insulating the mainline single-player series from external comparison.


Supporting Data: The Mechanics of the Bethesda-Obsidian Contrast

The division between Bethesda and Obsidian fans is not merely a product of internet forum arguments; it is rooted in fundamentally different approaches to RPG design, which can be seen in the reception and performance metrics of their respective titles.

Metric Fallout 3 (Bethesda – 2008) Fallout: New Vegas (Obsidian – 2010) The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Bethesda – 2011)
Metascore (PC) 91/100 84/100 94/100
Key Narrative Focus Linear main quest; exploration-driven; clear moral alignment (Karma system). Branching faction-based narrative; grey morality; deep reputation systems. Sandbox freedom; "see a mountain, climb it" philosophy; player-driven pacing.
Design Philosophy Environmental storytelling and reactive sandbox worlds. Dialogue-driven reactivity, skill checks, and mechanical depth. Streamlined mechanics to maximize player freedom and immersion.

The Metacritic score of Fallout: New Vegas (84/100) became a point of industry notoriety, as Obsidian famously missed out on a financial bonus from Bethesda that was contingent on the game securing an 85 average. Despite this, the game’s long-term critical standing has only grown, often overshadowing Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 in critical retrospectives.

Former Elder Scrolls designer Kurt Kuhlmann on Fallout: New Vegas diehards: 'I don't know that Todd wanted to…

In contrast, Skyrim remains one of the best-selling video games of all time, surpassing 60 million copies sold as of 2023. By keeping The Elder Scrolls entirely in-house, Todd Howard ensured that the single-player legacy of the franchise remained tethered exclusively to Bethesda’s signature design philosophy, avoiding the internal brand fragmentation that occurred with Fallout.


Official Responses and Studio Perspectives

The online discourse surrounding Bethesda and Obsidian often paints a picture of corporate jealousy and creative animosity. However, public statements from key figures at both studios suggest a far more professional and respectful reality.

Todd Howard’s Perspective

Todd Howard has historically spoken positively of Obsidian’s work on New Vegas, though he has consistently maintained that Bethesda prefers to keep its core franchises in-house. In a 2018 interview with IGN, Howard addressed the prospect of outsourcing another spin-off:

"I wouldn’t say never, but now that our company is so big, it’s always better to keep things internal… It’s less likely that we would do that again. I think our team has grown to a point where we want to manage those things ourselves."

Obsidian’s Perspective

Feargus Urquhart, CEO of Obsidian Entertainment, has repeatedly expressed his admiration for Bethesda and his desire to work on another Fallout game if the opportunity arose. Speaking to GameSpot in 2022, Urquhart stated:

"If we ever had the opportunity to make another Fallout game, we’d make it. It’s not even a question of whether we’d do it or not, it’s just ‘Will the opportunity arise?’… We loved working on New Vegas, and I think people still talk about it because they felt our passion for the world."

The Creative Toll of Fan Toxicity

As PC Gamer’s Ted Litchfield noted in his commentary on Kuhlmann’s podcast appearance, the real frustration for developers rarely stems from peer-to-peer rivalry. Instead, it is driven by the highly aggressive, bad-faith critiques popularised by online commentators and content creators who weaponize the Bethesda-Obsidian dynamic to attack individual developers or demand administrative firings. Within the industry, the relationship between the two studios is viewed not as a bitter rivalry, but as two distinct, highly valid approaches to the same creative canvas.

Former Elder Scrolls designer Kurt Kuhlmann on Fallout: New Vegas diehards: 'I don't know that Todd wanted to…

Implications: The Future of Western RPGs Under the Xbox Umbrella

The strategic decisions made by Todd Howard and Bethesda in the 2010s continue to shape the gaming landscape today, particularly now that both Bethesda and Obsidian exist under the same corporate umbrella at Microsoft.

                  ┌─────────────────────────────┐
                  │    Microsoft Gaming / Xbox  │
                  └──────────────┬──────────────┘
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         ┌───────────────────────┴───────────────────────┐
         ▼                                               ▼
┌─────────────────┐                             ┌─────────────────┐
│ ZeniMax/Bethesda│                             │    Obsidian     │
└────────┬────────┘                             └────────┬────────┘
         │                                               │
         ├─► The Elder Scrolls VI (In Dev)               ├─► Avowed (In Dev)
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         └─► Starfield Support                           └─► Outer Worlds 2

The Long Wait for Tamriel

By refusing to allow external studios to develop single-player Elder Scrolls spin-offs, Bethesda preserved the exclusivity of the brand but also created an unprecedented gap between mainline entries. By the time The Elder Scrolls VI releases, it is highly likely that more than 15 years will have passed since the launch of Skyrim. While The Elder Scrolls Online has successfully maintained a massive active player base, the lack of a traditional, single-player alternative has left a generation of RPG fans waiting.

The Unified Corporate Reality

Now that Microsoft owns both Bethesda (via ZeniMax Media) and Obsidian Entertainment, the theoretical barriers to collaboration have vanished. However, the practical realities of modern game development make a joint project highly unlikely in the near future.

Obsidian is currently occupied with its own fantasy RPG, Avowed, and the development of The Outer Worlds 2. Meanwhile, Bethesda is fully committed to the ongoing support of Starfield and the active production of The Elder Scrolls VI.

Furthermore, the modern gaming industry faces unprecedented structural pressures. With recent high-profile layoffs and studio closures across the Xbox ecosystem, the stakes for AAA development have never been higher. While fans continue to dream of a "New Vegas-style" treatment for The Elder Scrolls or a direct sequel to New Vegas itself, the creative protectiveness of Todd Howard, combined with the immense logistical demands of modern game development, ensures that the keys to Tamriel will remain firmly in Bethesda’s hands.

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